A Remarkable Moment in Time
This weekend was eventful, to say the least. I was in Columbus attending a White House Project sponsored campaign training for politically minded women when at noon on Saturday, there was an unplanned break in the training; nearly every one of the attendees quietly excused themselves to the next room where a makeshift press room had been set up. A lone laptop streaming CNN sat on the conference table with a microphone propped up next to it. The room was silent in anticipation. As I sat there with my stomach in knots chewing away at my cuticles, the infamous Marie Wilson, founder and president of the White House Project, board member of Ms. Magazine, creator of "Take your Daughter to Work Day," and legendary gender equity activist, sat down next to me- to ME.
About two minutes into Senator Clinton's speech it started. It was a sniffle at first, then a sob, then frantic searching through purses and totes for tissues-- there was not a dry eye in the entire room. I looked at Marie-- the sadness on her face was heartbreaking; then across the table I saw a Palestinian-American attorney I had met from Toledo that was an Obama delegate-- sobbing. To the right of her was a woman from Cincinatti I had had a heated debate with earlier in the day; she made it known that she was a "Patriot," a Bush supporter, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-God, and anti-Democrat--tears rolled down her cheeks.
It was a very sad, somber day for all women in America
I thought Hillary Clinton's speech was amazing. Well written and well executed: it moved me to my core. I was invested in her campaign. I chose her campaign because I believed in her policies, I believed in her experience, I believed in her. I didn't always agree with her or her campaign strategy, but you can never agree with someone 100% of the time. I didn't choose her because she was a female, but I was certainly proud and excited that my candidate was a woman. I am so grateful for the foundation she has laid for the rest of us to become trailblazers in our own fields, and not be ashamed or discouraged because someone says we can't do it. Thank you Hillary for standing up for yourself, for your preserverence, for not giving up on 18 million Americans that thought you were the right woman for the job.
I sincerely hope that you (the readers) do not take this post as an opportunity to gloat or post comments with your "I told you so" wisecrack remarks. Remember, many of my fellow Clinton supporters and I have been pro-Hillary and not anti-Barack. Instead, I hope that you'll take this moment to appreciate the tenacity and grit of a woman who put up with an extraordinary amount and put herself on the line for something she believed in. I hope that you'll recognize this as a monumental weekend in our nation's history where the Democratic party has chosen their presumptive nominee from a duo of political anomalies.
And most of all I hope that you will support Barack Obama in November. Although we have made great strides toward gender equity, we have miles to go 'til our work is done, and we need a champion on this and so many other important issues: I hope he will be our champion for change.
"Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been. We have to work together for what still can be." - Hillary Rodham Clinton, 6/7/08
By Annie - 6/08/2008
77 Comments:
No matter what the anon poster is sure to say, this was a nice post. You should be proud to have stood by your convictions in this campaign. Nice work and I look forward to reading more from you. Way to stay positive!
Annie, I was in Columbus too - by coincedence
Please do not take this as a defeat of women. I think that will only be a negative... and honestly, Hillary was a candidate that happened to be a woman and that is it.
I did not support her but give credit to the tenacity after discounting some of the questionable items such as the RFK commnts.
Maybe she could serve in a cabinet position...
Some win and some lose- The only real losers are those who wish not to compete.
Petey - do you know anyone who views Clinton's failure to secure the nomination as a defeat of women? I've not heard that even once. I don't know Annie well at all, but did spend a little time with her this weekend - I don't know, but I cannot imagine her thinking that Clinton's failures should be projected onto all or other women. I look forward to reading her response.
it was a win-win for the democratic party:
either, for the first time, an african american was a major party candidate for president, or, for the first time, a woman was a major party candidate for president.
it was momentus no matter which way it ended.
annie's correct in saying that we have a ways to go for gender equality, and it's also true for racial equality. one thing i dread, regardless of who won the nomination, is the bubbling up through the cracks of prejudices that ppl may or may not be aware that existed within them. if that is followed by an unwillingness or inability to confront them and there is no effort to quash them, then i fear by the general election an ugliness not seen in decades in this country.
but i am a pessimist by nature. things are mostly better than i expected. i hope that that is the case here.
my comment on an unwillingness, inability, and/or ability to quash prejudices was one of a person's ability to do so for themselves within themselves.
while i have argued with others about what i perceived as preconceived notions they have (and tried to recognize them within me), 'quash' has forceful connotations that i am not advocating being used against others for the general purposes of this discussion.
i wanted to clear that up because my use of pronouns in that part of my comments could have been interpreted either way.
Nice post from an avid Obama supporter.
Hillary Clinton was a fine candidate, but the comments regarding RFK made me truly not want her on the Obama ticket.
If he does pick her, it's quite understandable. Winning in November is key, and Hillary Clinton is going to play a major role in winning the white house for the dems if she is or isnt on the ticket.
Hillary said it best, in the past 40 years only 3 terms of presidencies were ran by Democrats-two of those under Bill Clinton. This is a very important election and we can't take anything for granted. Not even Hillary
I don't at all think that Clinton's shortfall of the nomination is a failure of all women-- in fact quite the opposite, and I'm confused where that question came from. Anyhow-- I think her ability to stay in the race so long and capture the hearts and votes of so many Americans is 18 million steps in the right direction!
fire her for lying to readers, because she is claiming she is saying her hillary support was not about gender.
she makes me sick and i will not read this site again.
i thought obama didn't sit right!
using that type of fear tactic is very anti-obama
and probably racist.
on top of her feminist sexism.
In the original post - all the tears & my wife and daughter seemed to hint that they wanted a woman in office
Well, Petey - let me ask you this: what if it was Obama giving that speech, and you were in a room of African-Americans or people of color, and they had "all the tears" - would you say that you thought that that must mean that they thought that Obama's defeat was the defeat of people of color?
I was in that same room and have a video of it. People cry when a hard fought race is lost OR won. I really think you're going way to far that those tears were tears of sadness because the people in the room were mourning what they saw as a defeat for women.
Really, now. That is kind of insulting although I'm confident you didn't mean it that way.
Like I said-- I will never agree with a candidate 100% of the time. Never. My comments on Obama to this point have focused primarily on what I didn't like, because I liked Clinton more.
I agree with Jill that some of the tears that day were in sadness, as so many people in the room had worked on the campaign and its always a shame to see so much hard work go into a losing campaign. Other tears were of pride that a good candidate (who happened to be a woman) worked hard for what she believed in.
To the person that continually accuses me of lying, being racist, and a man-hating feminist-- you are wrong on all counts, as many will attest. I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to hit and run anonymously. I believe the site will fair quite well with one less reader.
Hillary won and lost votes because of her gender.
Obama won and lost votes because of his race.
Huckabee and Romney won and lost votes because of their religion.
McCain has won and lost votes because of his.... I'm not sure... why is this guy running again ? Oh so some Hillary supporters will have someone to vote for in November ? Truly the stupidest part of this campaign was the "I'll vote for McCain if......."
It is a hard thing to see a candidate you truly believe in come up just short. Conservatives and the media did everything they could to intensify the divisions between Clinton and Obama supporters. It worked to a certain extent. The cameras still gravitate to disenfranchised "Democrats" who say they are not voting for Obama. That is the template the media is using and they will continue that narrative. I don't believe that is reality and polling in a couple weeks will show a united and energized Democratic Party. Thanks for this post Annie.
Well Mencken, according to the analysis proffered by this blog for the past year HIllary supporters should be more aligned with McCain than Obama.
That has yet to be explained in a way that I can understand other than "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".
I would love to hear from anyone who can explain the McCain/Hillary common ground... other than on Iraq.
I never said I agreed with it, just what was used to bash HRC supporters for the past year. Although they both view healthcare as one that can't be provided by governement without maximizing participation
I actually believe that it was a very good day for women all over the US.
Please read "Why Didn't More Women Vote for Hillary?" Time Mag article.
I hear ya' menck.
Just for kicks, I'm trying to imagine what the black demographic would have done if the Super's would have handed the nomination to Hillary.
Oddly, it is easier for me to imagine older white women voting for McCain than it is to imagine black voters voting for McCain. Can you imagine that?? A single leader of the black civil rights movement saying that he wouldn't vote for Hillary, or even better, that he wwas going to vote republican!
In response to:
"That has yet to be explained in a way that I can understand other than "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".
I would love to hear from anyone who can explain the McCain/Hillary common ground... other than on Iraq."
I know I will be told that I'm incorrect, but my perception of Hillary, in part because of Bill's presidency, is that she both understands economic issues and will not radically change our current tax structures. My perception continues to be that she and McCain aligned more closely regrading the economy that she and Obama did. Frankly, I don't trust Obama. He doesn't have enough of a voting record yet, and what he does have has shown him to lean too far to the left on taxes and the economy. McCain is a bit to the right. But with Hillary out I trust McCain more. Add to that Obama's reputation (reported in the WSJ and elsewhere) of not being able to work well in bipartisan committees, and McCain's preference for working across the aisle, have swung my vote toward McCain.
what does "lean far too left on taxes and the economy" mean?
i understand what the perception of liberals and taxes are, so you don't have to explain that, but i thought his and clinton's position on raising taxes on the wealthy were similar.
as for the economy, i really don't have any idea what it means to say that someone is too left on the economy. please explain.
thanks.
Okay. Leaning too far left on the economy is, in part, holding beliefs like raising taxes on the wealthy will actually increase tax revenues. Economists have shown again and again that this position does not hold up under analysis. You can increase taxes, but revenues hold constant.
You are correct that Obama's and Clinton's stated positions on taxing the wealthy were similar. I did not expect Clinton, however, to actually follow through on them if she got into office. She understands both that she has to take the position that she will raise these taxes to get elected, and that raising them will have a detrimental economic effect. She's a pragmitist.
I do not believe Obama to be a pragmitist. I suspect that he will follow his belief system rather than understanding how the policies he pushes for will be negative. I trusted Clinton to temper her actions and not follow through on all her words. I fear Obama will follow through on too many of his.
Matter at hand totally aside, I'm laughing that you are worried a politician will follow through on his word. hehehehe. This may make my day. =)
Jill, I spoke to my daughter and wife and they said that they were influenced to vote for Hillary because she is a woman. If that was typical, would not the defeat of her candidacy be viewed by some as a defeat for by a woman (women)?
Personally, I will never be able to understand voting for anyone because of their gender, ancestors, blood type, suntan, religion - you name it.
What exactly were the tears for? Crying because your candidate lost in a political contest???--Thats politics --Crying when one wins??? Call me unemotional because I have no clue here either.
About the insult comment - I am not taking the bait
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oorah Kyle
As I sat there with my stomach in knots chewing away at my cuticles, the infamous Marie Wilson, founder and president of the White House Project, board member of Ms. Magazine, creator of "Take your Daughter to Work Day," and legendary gender equity activist, sat down next to me- to ME.
Take your daughter to work day was a joke. Thank God enough companies had the sense to start their own take your CHILD to work day. Marie's response was to recommend that when the girls were at work, the boys should stay home and plan meals, do the chores, etc.
Gender equity...all while recommending boys stay home and don't go to work with their parent(s).
There's my short rant. I truly despise that woman, whom I met last year when she spoke at a Woman's Community Foundation luncheon.
I gotta roll with Russ on this one. I am so friggin' glad this campaign is over. Enough of this runny-nosed pouting about Hillary. She'll continue to be one of the most powerful Senators in Congress and you won't end up hating her in a year for not living up to the hype.
Simple as this- 20 friggin' years of Bush/Clinton is enough. E N O U G H.
Wow. Some of the commenters here seem to take great pride in showing just how incapable they are of understanding other people.
That is really scary.
I feel the same. The news was so overwhelmingly putrid with the Democratic contest - I was totally sick of it too.
I too have thought of the status quo just getting lost. Not holding out major hopes for the future - maybe a glimmer though.
I am going to say this again: It matters to me not what our President looks like or what nature of plumbing. I want some LEADERSHIP
Petey, you wrote:
"Jill, I spoke to my daughter and wife and they said that they were influenced to vote for Hillary because she is a woman. If that was typical, would not the defeat of her candidacy be viewed by some as a defeat for by a woman (women)?"
I'm no. I don't see that translation at all. They supported her in part because she was a woman. Ok. That's fine. That was part of their calculus. I don't see how that translates to your wife or daughter feeling that Hillary's failures are our failures. We call that having no boundaries - it's part of why the Clinton Supporters Count Too folks have real issues - they have no boundaries between themselves and Hillary.
You also wrote, "What exactly were the tears for? Crying because your candidate lost in a political contest???--Thats politics --Crying when one wins??? Call me unemotional because I have no clue here either."
Well -ok. That's you, Petey. I can't tell you why they cried - you'd have to ask them. But it's what some humans call a showing of emotion. You have no clue about showings of emotion? I don't know what to tell you about that.
Last, you wrote, "About the insult comment - I am not taking the bait."
No bait to take. I think it's insulting to suggest that women cried because Hillary lost because it means that women failed. It's insulting because it implies that women cannot separate themselves from Hillary - as I kind of noted above.
How many millions of women voted for and will vote for Obama? They'll be doing just fine separating from Hillary - but that doesn't mean they will, or will not cry.
It's just a show of emotion, Petey. Get over it.
Jill, True, I am very desensitized- especially towards politicians. This is most likely a new norm. Regularly on this blog I may have three or more brothers in arms in this norm - but I will let them tell there own tales.
Can't You tell when a person is fighting for "Truth Justice and the American Way"
Thats not scary- somebody has to do it
Nothing to get over....Jill , please don't cry if McCain wins...try letting Jimmy Beam handle it like many of us will.
Did you cry when Hillary lost , Jill?
Thanks, Petey - I understand what you mean about being desensitized re: politicians - very understandable, indeed. But I feel that these two candidates went/go beyond that. But I do know what you're saying - I can see your comments in that context. But I will still say that being overcome with emotion - even if you're a woman, and even if you voted for a woman because she is a woman, does not have a bearing on women feeling that they've failed. There's just no causal link for me.
I got very choked up - esp. after hearing all the sniffles. I didn't have my computer there with me but I was taking notes and I wrote down that I heard a lot of sniffles - it was pretty unsettling to be honest because I'm not a Hillary supporter (though I voted for her).
But I did get teary-eyed. I've gotten teary eyed over people I can't stand too when they're goign through something. But that's me - I'm probably the other extreme of showing empathy. I can't watch violence in a movie - I can feel it. Remember the movie with Tom Hanks stuck in an airport and the head of the airport was SOOOO mean to Hanks?
I could not watch the movie after a certain point - I cannot watch people being mean that way. It is absolute torture.
Anyway - I'm very visceral, but to not feel emotion in deference to the fierce battle Clinton waged is a signal to me that people don't or didn't really respect what it took for her to get where she stood to concede.
And as humans, I much prefer to know that people CAN feel for her. It's how we show we care and can care about strangers. I think that's incredibly important - it keeps us from passing lousy laws and making bad policies.
Anyway - sorry - didn't mean to monopolize. I just don't like people hitting on people who show emotion.
What's scary Jill was people buying into the perception that Hillary was any more than one evolutionary click above Joe Lieberman, the remora on John McCain's belly.
Try and understand my feelings about that.
I don't agree with even at the most minimal level. But I'm not familiar with your arguments so I really don't know what your basis is for saying that Hillary is an evolutionary click above Lieberman - I don't know what that means, to be honest. But I'm from CT and my family supported, fundraised and worked for Joe Lieberman when he was someone else. What he's become is really depressing for those of us who supported him in the 80s and 90s.
Jill, I am extremely happy that there are emotional persons on earth which somehow in Providence's graces balance out all the Curtis LeMay types like me.
Eight years of the Bush Regime has left me on guard and basically uni-emotioned. Guess which one.
Even so, my pious concerns and activities for this Nation and my neighbors with no healthcare or employment, our youth w/no hope, and our Veterans with shriveled limbs have reached levels akin to a "Mission From God"
Care about the above too?
We are on the same page
Too bad we have been programmed by polarizers.
"remora on John McCain's belly"
GeeWhizz Mencken - You SIR are an artiste
Petey - I have no idea who Curtis LeMay is. Programmed by polarizers? lol, I don't know about that Kyle and Annie have both met me - I don't think so. But then, if I have been, I wouldn't know it, now would I?
:)
It is nice Kyle is respectful to her, but why would he want someone working for the site that causes all this trouble. She got rid of Bob (and Chuck disappears much more) by trying to call him sexist. She further antagonized the pro-Obama people by refusing to respond to any of their complaints.
All for someone she doesn't even believe in:
I'm laughing that you are worried a politician will follow through on his word. hehehehe. This may make my day. =)
She proved right there that her belief in Hillary is met with the premise Hillary will lie like everyone. That discounts every pro-Hillary statements she ever gives. On the other hand, most of the Obama supporters truly believe he is different. She mocks that premise and believes in nothing but that Hillary is a "strong woman".
It is a real shame all you people reap praise on her. The anonymous bashers aren't nice to her, but anyone that applauds her is on no higher ground.
bob quit on his own accord kyle didn't fire him. Chuck is too busy waving his black panther flag and trying to get his rap career off the ground thats why he doesn't write anymore
T, thats funny, is there still a Black Panther party?
Curtis "Bomb em back to the Stone Age" Lemay. My father's commanding officer in WWII. Curtis commanded the B-29 destruction of Japan. He ran on the Wallace/LeMay ticket. I admire the man - but the lesson is, if Gen Lemay would have had his way - with no tempering souls intervening, the Earth would presently be in nuclear winter.
Polarizing I was referring to is the professional job done by KookieKarl Rove & company. It affected all of us to some degree.
Curtis: My Man
Anonymous: why dont you pull your head out of your anus, bathe thoroughly, head on down to the local tavern and hook up with a female
Is it so hard to understand tears when older women may have well missed their chance to see a female president? It is very easy to become emotionally attached to a candidate or a campaign. Anyone who has worked on a campaign can certainly attest to that. To give your time, money, and/or energy to a candidate just to have them lose is heartbreaking--regardless of gender. For many women, watching Hillary concede was like waking up in the middle of an amazing dream. Whether you like Hillary or not, it sucks to see yet another man win the Presidency. Is it also AMAZING that we have our first African-American president? You better believe it! But for a lot of us women, feminists or not, we have seen something historic for our gender come to an end.
anon,
Grow up!
If you don't like what Annie has to say, then don't read her blog -- and don't reply to what she writes.
She has a right to her opinion, and the fact that she's willing to express it (and not hide behind "anonymous") speaks volumes about her character and her willingness to stand up for her beliefs.
That's the purposes of blogs -- to allow people the ability to express their views and encourage an open dialogue about subjects that interest them.
If you're not interested in what Annie has to say -- or you're offended with what she has to say -- then stop reading when you see the title is pink (I mean, it's not that hard -- the authors are color coded -- when you see the title in pink, stop reading!).
Anon, I think annie is more interested in reporting, and less interested in debating and opinions.
She said something to that effect after she criticized a piece written by Kyle. (at least that's what I think she was saying... the fact that she didn't even clarify her statement is further reason for me to believe that she just isn't in to arguing with people in the comment sections)
That said, this is a blog. We aren't coming here to read the news, otherwise we would just go to the DRUDGEREPORT. Next time there is a big issue, why not give us something we can chew on, Annie?
I am giving up on that rap career, so I am back. Few thoughts....
- No doubt a historic campaign and I have no doubt it is a moment of pride/progress for all that a female made it this far.
- I agree with the anonymous person that Annie discounts everything she says when she basically says all politicians lie so we are all fools for believing in a politician (or at least thats the inference). This goes back to her being so cynical that she condones the swift boats.
- and it is frustrating that she never acknowledged the half a dozen legit grievances of myself. well, whatever, i am done with that complaint.
- unrelated to all this: I was back in Ohio the past week.....I am very demoralized about Obama's chances of winning that state.....I am now referring to that as the unmentionable "it" factor that people don't like about obama.
more to come on that, but once i get caught up with my regular life, i am going to really get it the VP picks.
Chuck, I see lots of Obama support in the Cle area
Cinci: probably McCain
come one chuck...only a half dozen? i'd say there were at least a dozen grievances of yourself :)
in all seriousness, annie answering challenges to promote and defend clinton on this blog is about as much an exercise in futility as i can imagine.
ok, that's wrong. russ promoting and defending bush on this site is even more an exercise in futility.
there are some things that can be reasonably disagreed with, and the back and forth is interesting. promoting clinton isn't one of them. she might as well just cut to the chase and proclaim here i am! please chastise me, now!
chuck said
..I am now referring to that as the unmentionable "it" factor that people don't like about obama.
chuck are you referring to his race?
If so this is how race gets interjected into the discussion by the inference that to not support him means you are a racist. The guy gets >90% of the black vote, I am sure it is wholly because of his stance on Iran and tariffs {sarcasm}. This is why discussing this campaign has been so vexing, because a disagreement or difference in choice is not acceptable and must be branded as something sinister. Guess what, I didn't like Obama from the start, I don't like his policies, I feel he hasn't accomplished or demonstrated enough to be president and I feel that a lot of his support is garnered as a left wing doppleganger of GWB. I want an efficient competent executive not a glorified motivational speaker. I have legitimate qualms with his stances but to even engage in the discussion I must first deal with the obligatory perception that I am only not voting for him because he is black
heres the rub-this guy went to prep schools, OXY Columbia and Harvard law, he is as far removed from the "everyman" as any other politician. His race allows him to project an image that isn't accurate. BUt for some reason many intelligent people are buying this bill of goods, and to disagree with them is to be blackballed as a bigot?!?!
I have said it before and this past election has reinforced it. The people who haven't got past seeing things in racial terms are the far left and those that use the threat of blacklisting someone as a racist for their own agenda (looking at you Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Rev Wright, Louis Farrahkan)
T-Dawg, there is no such thing as an "everyman" .
And even if he did exist, who blessed him?
well stated T
Everyone is 1/2 something- funny that Providence made it like that - probably to discredit bigots
It it me?
ahh mencken always the oblique counter, never a straight on one
Although I would've assume you might be able to glean the intent of my statements without a direct spelling out.
The "everyman" is how people percieve the candidate (or why they won't support them). It is the same reason people wanted to have a beer with GWB and Kerry was a Boston Brahmins. It is why HIllary was a bitch, It is why Dukakis could never be president because he looked absurd in a tank, why Al Gore is boring, and Obama is "change"l. None of these caricatures are truly based in anything substantive or even real. Merely a way to identify with a candidate.
and if there was an "everyman" it would be me. I am wonderful
I was taught never to lead with my chin T-Dawg.
By your own analysis, Obama appears to be no more or less guilty than any other politician.
A first class education is hardly a crime.
thats my point
What do I win?
you can be runner up in the everyman contest
oK T, so are you voting for McCain because hes white?
I am probably voting for McCain. ~85%
...annie answering challenges to promote and defend clinton on this blog is about as much an exercise in futility as i can imagine.
ok, that's wrong. russ promoting and defending bush on this site is even more an exercise in futility.
ada made me laugh this morning. Thank you!
jUST Asking: Is it in the same league to vote for someone because of Party as it is to vote for one because of race, gender?
Ex: If I feel compelled to vote AGAINST all Republicans after their present horrible reign, What would you call that?
T, write in Lyndon LaRouche
while attending high school with some of the bloggers on this site, i noticed an interesting observation.
I was made fun of for listening to rap music at school, whether it's due to the fact that i wasn't black, or maybe it's because rock and punk was the official genre that our school glorified.
Funny thing is... it was not cool to listen to rap, yet the Beastie Boys ("white" Jewish rappers) were acceptable. I always thought this was weird... as rap is a category of music.
A student would be ripped for wearing a Tupac tshirt to class, yet a Beastie Boys t-shirt was OK.
Some of the people who did the ridiculing actually are on this site as democrats defending the black community.
Just thought this was interesting.
That percentage will drop once you find a way around the inconvenience of voting for the same guy Chuck is.
Anon.
I'll gladly rip on most rap, but not the beastie boys.
The beastie boys ask ladys to "get funky," while much of the rest of the hip-hop genre asks ladys to... you know where I'm going with this.
The beastie boys are fairly classy and funny. I can relate to them, maybe because, like me, they are white. I can't, on the other hand relate to much of hip-hop.
Many white people choose to listen to music that is "within our culture" so to speak (for example, I love punk and alternative), and labeling one racist for that is retarded.
Do you think someone from guatamala who prefers shakira to christina agulera is racist? Are blacks showing racism when they don't wear beastie boys apparell, instead opting for that Tupac shirt?
No one should have made fun of you for being into hip-hop. That's you, being yourself and that's cool. But don't go labelling people racist because of their tastes in music.
pretty funny mencken,
if anyone could find a way around tht it would be me
although in fairness I think we both voted for Kerry in 04
Hey Jeff,
I can understand what you're saying.
I never labeled anyone racist, but if you actually attended our school, you would probably have a better idea of what i'm talking about.
Some of these same people would call our sole black student in my class the n-word to his face and expect him to laugh about it with them afterwards... because it was a joke, you know. they weren't actually being serious, right?
For me to witness this, then be called out on as to why i label these people racist, is pretty ridiculous.
Whoa...
That happened at your school??
One kid did that at my middle school once, and there was a walkout.
Any closet racists 'round here you can rat out for us?
Some of the people who did the ridiculing actually are on this site as democrats defending the black community.
It's your typical liberal white guilt/shame. They just didn't have it in high school yet.
But don't go labelling people racist because of their tastes in music.
Why? Was Tupac a bad rapper. Can anyone actually be a bad rapper when compared to the Beastie Boys?<